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sunday night when sportscaster bob costas took a moment to comment on the tragic murder/suicide of jovan belcher. here is what bob said. >> our current gun culture ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy and that more convenient store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead. handguns do not enhance our safety. they exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments and bait us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it. >> wow! you can imagine those remarks set off a firestorm of criticism against bob costas, particularly from folks who support the second amendment and other folks who are conservative. it sparked a big debate about the boundaries that a journalist should or should not have as they're sitting on the air in the middle of a football game and what they can talk about. let's bring in leonard kurts from the daily beast and lauren ashburn, day ily download. we need to come up with a nickname for you. >> do you think he was out of line? it was a small chunk of time. >> bob costas mi
sunday night when sportscaster bob costas took a moment to comment on the tragic murder/suicide of jovan belcher. here is what bob said. >> our current gun culture ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy and that more convenient store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead. handguns do not enhance our safety. they exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments and bait us into embracing...
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. >> number 5, in the coming days javon belcher's actions and possible connection to football will be analyze. who knows but here quote jason whitlock if javon didn't possess a guy, he and cas an draw perkins would be alive today. >> speaking of football college football, alabama over georgia big moment. >> number 4. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. alabama wins! alabama wins. crimson tide won again. they will play for all of the marbles. time to make a little more room in the trophy case. peters role tide >> bill: john mccain and john pete kerriy at a news conference this week sharing something in common. >> senator mccain. >> thank you very much, mr. secretary. >> uh-huh. >> thank you very much, mr. president. this is what happens when you get two loosers up here -- here -- here -- loose. >> other night, we lit up the congressional christmas treat. john boehner did and he explained what the christmas tree is all about. >> number 2. >> we will bring light to the tree that flourishes as as symbol of everlasting light. and in turn, this tree will bring light for us opening our hearts a little more than
. >> number 5, in the coming days javon belcher's actions and possible connection to football will be analyze. who knows but here quote jason whitlock if javon didn't possess a guy, he and cas an draw perkins would be alive today. >> speaking of football college football, alabama over georgia big moment. >> number 4. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. alabama wins! alabama wins. crimson tide won again. they will play for all of the marbles. time to make a little more room in the trophy case....
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the kansas chiefs, their linebacker, belcher, 30 miles from here, he wasn't backing down from his remarks last night with bill o'reilly. listen. >> people ought to be aware of the attitude toward guns that's out there. >> way too lax. >> it's up among professional athletes. i cannot think of a single instance involving the professional athlete whereby that athlete having a gun averted or diminishing a dangerous situation. but i can give you a long list of tragedies that came about because guys were packing. >> brian: bob costas defended himself, but did say that wasn't the right for yum to bring it up. he needed more time. if you're on the kansas city chiefs and struggling through a horrific season on the field, how do you get past this tragedy? let's talk to a guy who is the ultimate leader as he led the pittsburgh steelers to the super bowl championship, outstanding runningback for the rams when they're in los angeles and with pittsburgh and a fighting irish superstar, jerome bettis, welcome back. >> thank you. >> brian: tragedy hits so many teams through the nfl. seems to hit somebody
the kansas chiefs, their linebacker, belcher, 30 miles from here, he wasn't backing down from his remarks last night with bill o'reilly. listen. >> people ought to be aware of the attitude toward guns that's out there. >> way too lax. >> it's up among professional athletes. i cannot think of a single instance involving the professional athlete whereby that athlete having a gun averted or diminishing a dangerous situation. but i can give you a long list of tragedies that came...
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painkillers might have contributed to belcher's actions, he could have made other choices. you cannot save people from themself. bill, what's with the $10 fine for saying cool or awesome on the factor? just applies to staff, darrell. this is a no cliche zone here. we have a bunch of younger people working for us. sometimes the conversation sounds like an episode of american bandstand. the fines go to charity.
painkillers might have contributed to belcher's actions, he could have made other choices. you cannot save people from themself. bill, what's with the $10 fine for saying cool or awesome on the factor? just applies to staff, darrell. this is a no cliche zone here. we have a bunch of younger people working for us. sometimes the conversation sounds like an episode of american bandstand. the fines go to charity.
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but stretching from javon belcher and the shooting in syria and chemical weapons seems like a bit of a stretch. the implications of that is that every american should have access to chemical weapons and nuclear weapons. it will result in weapons ownership. look at europe. look at japan. look at the rest of the world. we are way, way out there. we have the highest murder rate in the world. it hasn't protected us. it has resulted in arguments that should have a consequence of maybe a slap in the face, resulting in a bullet through the heart. it results in a double-murder in this case, a murder/suicide. guns don't protect. they cause suicide. >> let me bring in -- >> they cause suicide? >> i can promise, i'll get back to you, carol. here is what they say to me. i've had it all. but trying to get a debate going. i've been on two years on cnn. in that time, there's been a series of gun rages. each time it is the same debate and nothing gets done about it. 300 million guns and you have between 11,000 and 12,000 guns and murders a year. by comparison, britain has 35 as does germany and aust
but stretching from javon belcher and the shooting in syria and chemical weapons seems like a bit of a stretch. the implications of that is that every american should have access to chemical weapons and nuclear weapons. it will result in weapons ownership. look at europe. look at japan. look at the rest of the world. we are way, way out there. we have the highest murder rate in the world. it hasn't protected us. it has resulted in arguments that should have a consequence of maybe a slap in the...
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it's what was troubling jovan belcher. >> dana: glad you brought that up. on the same day that jovan belcher committed this crime, there was a man who beat his wife with a baseball bat. and killed her. he wasn't a profootball player. he doesn't drive a bentley. didn't make millions of dollars. on the same day. talking about the gun culture issue is a cop out. it's not the real issue about mental health, anger management and domestic violence. >> bob: is there a real issue that somebody you said had a long history of mental disturbances, alcoholism and domestic abuse he could be allowed to buy guns legally and freely? >> kimberly: he applied for a permit and he was able to have a weapon. that is his legal, lawful right. >> bob: even if he is a -- >> kimberly: hold on. depending on what kind -- they don't keep people that you think you have too many drinks or not from buying weapons. that is not one of the criteria. >> eric: same guy, doesn't get a gun because you want to ban handguns or whatever, same guy is in a car and that is okay? same guy. >> bob: can y
it's what was troubling jovan belcher. >> dana: glad you brought that up. on the same day that jovan belcher committed this crime, there was a man who beat his wife with a baseball bat. and killed her. he wasn't a profootball player. he doesn't drive a bentley. didn't make millions of dollars. on the same day. talking about the gun culture issue is a cop out. it's not the real issue about mental health, anger management and domestic violence. >> bob: is there a real issue that...
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painkillers might have contributed to belcher's actions, he could have made other choices. you cannot save people from themself. bill, what's with the $10 fine for saying cool or awesome on the factor? just applies to staff, darrell. this is a no cliche zone here. we have a bunch of younger people working for us. sometimes the conversation sounds like an episode of american bandstand. the fines go to charity. ryan from cleveland, tennessee. i am eight years old and watch the factor almost every night. you know what, ryan? i appreciate that very much. so i'm sending you a nice christmas present. hope you enjoy it. finally tonight, the factor tip of the day, as you may know, we raise money for the wounded warrior project and for the fisher house which provides support to the families of military people hurt in action. we're pleased to announce that the sotheby's auction house here in new york city will put a wounded warrior's poster signed by all five living american presidents up for bid on december 14th. there are only three of these posters we know in the world, and nothin
painkillers might have contributed to belcher's actions, he could have made other choices. you cannot save people from themself. bill, what's with the $10 fine for saying cool or awesome on the factor? just applies to staff, darrell. this is a no cliche zone here. we have a bunch of younger people working for us. sometimes the conversation sounds like an episode of american bandstand. the fines go to charity. ryan from cleveland, tennessee. i am eight years old and watch the factor almost every...
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belcher murder suicide tragedy back bar to start with liberal broaden the discussion to gun violence in america as a whole. didn't like it especially didn't like it when back and suggested that thousands of kids are killed every year by gun violence and to work. there were more kids killed and i don't treat that how i thought why would i buy clothes by the way but you sure give me a g.a.o. to define the eighty five or seventy what do you think that's from what did you just say what it is what it was what the seventeen year old was killed by a gun would you call that bob that's called gang violence what is that a crime that you are using out your so you can as you progress ridiculous as right in the back of a liberal a lecture about guns or not or all the talk about all or don't murder mysteries i combined have less desk going i don't know i think it's seventeen year olds in gangs just beyond why she ever said a gang member they know gets killed right. by my gang but where does most of the gang violence occur i did say gang violence look i'm right on this. the incredibly misleading bl
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vaughn belcher here's what to say. our current done culture with lock wrote ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy and that more convenient store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead handguns do not enhance our safety they exacerbate our flaws attempt to escalate arguments and bait us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it in the coming days javan belcher's actions and their possible connection to football will be analyzed who knows but here wrote jason whitlock is what i believe if javan belcher didn't possess a gun he and cassandra perkins would both be alive today. and here's what caused this didn't say he didn't say the government should take away people's guns he didn't say we should repeal the second amendment and he didn't call for limits on gun ownership still the conservative media and the blogosphere load up with fiery outrage towards cost to us and fox news is still talking about it today so if we
vaughn belcher here's what to say. our current done culture with lock wrote ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy and that more convenient store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead handguns do not enhance our safety they exacerbate our flaws attempt to escalate arguments and bait us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it in the coming days javan belcher's actions and their possible...
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. >>> we have new information about the nfl player jovan belcher. apparently just hours before he shot and killed his girlfriend, tops our look at the stories around the news nation today. officers reposponded to a 911 cl five hours before the murder-suicide. police say they let belcher go. he did not appear to be intoxicated. nbc sports commentator bob costas responding after a firestorm of criticism in the sunday night commentary. he talked about guns saying he wished he had more time to talk about the issues surrounding belcher and perkins' death. >> what i was talking about here, and i'm sorry if that wasn't clear to everybody, was a gun culture. i never mentioned the 2nd amendment or used the words gun control. people inferred that. do i believe we need more comprehensive and sensible gun control legislation? yes, do. that doesn't mean repeal the 2nd amendment. >>> and bank giant citigroup is cutting 11,000 jobs worldwide. this decision is part of a company's restructuring. and will save they say $1.1 million a year in expenses. it's the first
. >>> we have new information about the nfl player jovan belcher. apparently just hours before he shot and killed his girlfriend, tops our look at the stories around the news nation today. officers reposponded to a 911 cl five hours before the murder-suicide. police say they let belcher go. he did not appear to be intoxicated. nbc sports commentator bob costas responding after a firestorm of criticism in the sunday night commentary. he talked about guns saying he wished he had more...
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discussion, seems to be broiling a little bit, john, and this is what prompted bob costas' comments, jovan belcher committed a murder/suicide and also reportedly suffered from traumatic brain injury potentially from being obviously hit in the head, concussions are another problem in the nfl all together but how do we keep the guns out of the hands of people who might have these kinds of issues? >> this is always going to be difficult because in this country we believe in your right to own a gun and what we don't want to do is compromise the rights of law-abiding citizens. i think what we have to be very careful and where bob costas was wrong he tried to leverage a very emotional event to promote a certain philosophical point that he has at a time when that wasn't the right discussion. i think these are important issues. they're difficult issues and they should be discussed in washington but not at the time of a tragedy where somebody is trying to leverage the emotions out there. >> tea partiers are using the gun issue to rally the base. rand paul said "only hours after re-election barack obama imm
discussion, seems to be broiling a little bit, john, and this is what prompted bob costas' comments, jovan belcher committed a murder/suicide and also reportedly suffered from traumatic brain injury potentially from being obviously hit in the head, concussions are another problem in the nfl all together but how do we keep the guns out of the hands of people who might have these kinds of issues? >> this is always going to be difficult because in this country we believe in your right to own...
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didn't have a fun -- if belcher didn't have a gun, he and his girlfriend wouldn't have died. what do you make of this, mark? >> if you say you're no longer a functioning fully formed individual citizen capable of making his own choices about healthcare, the next step from that is to say well, if you pump 9 bullets into your wife, you're not really responsible for that. we need to change the laws. we need to eliminate the 2nd amendment. because one guy puts nine bullets into his wife, we need to change the laws for 300 million people. he did this. there's is a lack of -- the great issue, not just in the united states, but in the western world, is the urge to dodge personal responsibility. this guy is the beneficiary of one of the wealthiest most successful societies on earth. you should be responsible for your healthcare, and you should also be responsible if you go bananas and kill your wife, that's on your shoulders too. stuart: but you can't win an election telling the world, telling your country, your voters that you've got to be responsible for yourself, for your healthca
didn't have a fun -- if belcher didn't have a gun, he and his girlfriend wouldn't have died. what do you make of this, mark? >> if you say you're no longer a functioning fully formed individual citizen capable of making his own choices about healthcare, the next step from that is to say well, if you pump 9 bullets into your wife, you're not really responsible for that. we need to change the laws. we need to eliminate the 2nd amendment. because one guy puts nine bullets into his wife, we...
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in the coming days, jovan belcher's actions and possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows but here is what i believe. if jovan belcher did not possess a gun he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> some critics saying costas picked the wrong time and place and others blast him for trying to take away their second amendment rights. now the blogs are light iing up with calls for him to be fired. quote, nbc should show bob costas the door. then there's this facebook page. fire bob costas for his unamerican comments on gun control. hln sports reporter joe carter is here to talk about all of this. what did he say in his own defense? >> i found several fire bob costas facebook pages with lots of likes. he went on the shows yesterday morning and defended himself and said that he did admit he made a mistake, that he used wrong forum to take on such a heavy-handed topic, that he should have listened to his own rule which is when you take on a topic as politically charged as gun control, leave yourself enough time to fully flush out that topic. and as we know
in the coming days, jovan belcher's actions and possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows but here is what i believe. if jovan belcher did not possess a gun he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> some critics saying costas picked the wrong time and place and others blast him for trying to take away their second amendment rights. now the blogs are light iing up with calls for him to be fired. quote, nbc should show bob costas the door. then there's this...
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the javon belcher story is extremely political. the idea we don't talk about it that's a political choice when you choose to decontext annualize something that was such a horrible tragedy. >> you are the best best @edgeofsports. dave, twice in one week, how blessed we are. >> i am a big fan of meredith's work. >> thank you. the feeling is mutual. >> bill: there you go. okay. dave zirin from "the nation," whom we have adopted. it's a great deal. " all right. full "the full court press" on this wednesday, december 5th. stay with us. >> this is "the bill press show." [ music ] unleashed. joy behar. >> on my next show, dr. ruth answers all your questions about sex. i mean the ones you can say on tv of course, on say anything. smiles make more smiles. when the chocolate is hershey's. life is delicious. [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet but they're gonna fall in love get married, have a couple of kids, [ children laughing ] move to the country, and live a long, happy life together where they almost nev
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at least lee von belcher did not go to the caribbean with a gallon of viagra. please, spare me go get another divorce and another marriage. "young turks." [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> good evening i'm eliot spitzer and this is "viewpoint." we have become all too accustomed to gun violence. in recent years despite horrific tragedies, we have lacked the political will to do anything about it. now a suicide has brought it back into the public eye. livan belcher murdered the mother of his daughter and shot himself. >> here wrote jason with it lock is what i believe. if he doesn't possess a gun he and sandra perkins would both be alive today. >> half time of a football game was the wrong time to bring up the issue of gun control. wane lapierre accused costas of promoting an anti second amendment agenda. media conglomerates want to ram gun control down throats. those of us who believe in gun control should bring all the pressure we can to where it might make a difference. the white house. when president obama was in tough straights he went back and did something. i've been f
at least lee von belcher did not go to the caribbean with a gallon of viagra. please, spare me go get another divorce and another marriage. "young turks." [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> good evening i'm eliot spitzer and this is "viewpoint." we have become all too accustomed to gun violence. in recent years despite horrific tragedies, we have lacked the political will to do anything about it. now a suicide has brought it back into the public eye. livan belcher murdered the...
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belcher is responsible but the pundit class. the pundit class, dr. archer started immediately to make excuses. it's the nfl, it was the guns, rather than saying this is an individual who was disturbed and, you know, that's what the crux of the matter is. >> the crux of the matter is that the number one predict everywhere of violence, the number one predictor of suicide is alcohol and drug abuse. if we want to get to a reason why this happened that has to be at the top of the list. clearly this is a guy who was taken painkillers. nfl players are four times more likely than the general population to take narcotic painkillers and he was drinking on those painkillers. if you want a reason that's your -- >> wait, doctor ablow, so you say that the analysis should have been he did it and he is responsible. you don't disagree with that? >> don't disagree at all. one of the drivers of his action was the drinking and the drug taking? >> correct. >> bill: all right. that seems to be logical dr. ablow to make that kind of analysis. always with the headline he di
belcher is responsible but the pundit class. the pundit class, dr. archer started immediately to make excuses. it's the nfl, it was the guns, rather than saying this is an individual who was disturbed and, you know, that's what the crux of the matter is. >> the crux of the matter is that the number one predict everywhere of violence, the number one predictor of suicide is alcohol and drug abuse. if we want to get to a reason why this happened that has to be at the top of the list. clearly...
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belcher drove miss glass home, dropped her off and passed out in misbentley. 2:50 a.m., cops woke belcher up and told him not to drive. he called glass apt spent the next four hours in her apartment. at 6:45 a.m., he drove the bentley to his home where girlfriend perkins recently arrived with her own night out with friends. argument ensued and belcher shot perkins nine times. belcher's mother and baby were there for the shooting. after killing perkins, belcher kissed the lifeless body, walk toed his mother, kissed his baby girl and left. he drove five miles to the chiefs' practice field after several minutes of pleading with him, they couldn't talk belcher off the ledge. belcher thanked the coaches, knelt down beside a car, made a sign of a cross and put a shot to his fare hoed ending his life -- fairhead ending his life. serve trying to make this about their issue. nbc and bob costas used the tragedy to promote gun control. remember this? >> in the coming days, jovan belcher's actions and the possible connection to football will be analyzed. if belcher didn't possess a gun, he and perkin
belcher drove miss glass home, dropped her off and passed out in misbentley. 2:50 a.m., cops woke belcher up and told him not to drive. he called glass apt spent the next four hours in her apartment. at 6:45 a.m., he drove the bentley to his home where girlfriend perkins recently arrived with her own night out with friends. argument ensued and belcher shot perkins nine times. belcher's mother and baby were there for the shooting. after killing perkins, belcher kissed the lifeless body, walk...
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no one is saying that belcher is not responsible. in fact, earlier in the day, in that i was appalled by the way some of this had been covered initially by some of the sports networks where they made it seal like there were two victims. that kasandra perkins was victim one and javon butler was victim two. no. the person who committed suicide first committed a murder and he is responsible for that. however, the ready easy availability of guns, could he have strangled her or stabbed her? of course he could have. but the easy availability of guns makes this sort of thing far more likely to occur. if somebody points out that the country has a problem with nutrition and obesity, that doesn't mean they want to ban fast food. but they are you aware of some of the dangers and hoping to moderate people's behavior. if nothing else, even if some people disagree with me or misinterpret what i said. if it started a conversation on this, then i think that's a good thing. >> it is my honor that you joined us tonight with your first television inter
no one is saying that belcher is not responsible. in fact, earlier in the day, in that i was appalled by the way some of this had been covered initially by some of the sports networks where they made it seal like there were two victims. that kasandra perkins was victim one and javon butler was victim two. no. the person who committed suicide first committed a murder and he is responsible for that. however, the ready easy availability of guns, could he have strangled her or stabbed her? of...
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belcher and his girlfriend? i don't know.l i know is that it the statistics from single parenthood and children out of wedlock and what happens to kids in those circumstances, what happens to the fathers in those circumstances. it's not good. >> dana: an degreia, i'm a believer in the institution of marriage to solidify families and root you in a grounded, make it possibly tradition and hopefully be prosperous in the future. there is a lot, there are many babies born out of wedlock. all across america. and all races. in particular, in african-american families and growing in hispanic and white families as well. do you think it has anything do with how people end up committing crimes like this? and not able to deal with the success he earned? >> andrea: i think there is a family element to certain things. maybe the way he was raised or how he wasn't raised. maybe he wasn't taught right from wrong. i have a hard time buying this. this is a total argument. a but-for argument. but for the family he would haven't don
belcher and his girlfriend? i don't know.l i know is that it the statistics from single parenthood and children out of wedlock and what happens to kids in those circumstances, what happens to the fathers in those circumstances. it's not good. >> dana: an degreia, i'm a believer in the institution of marriage to solidify families and root you in a grounded, make it possibly tradition and hopefully be prosperous in the future. there is a lot, there are many babies born out of wedlock. all...
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while discussing the weekend murder-suicide involving jovan belcher and his girl , costas said if belcher didn't possess a gun and he perkins would be alive today that triggered a backlash from gun rights advocates some calling for nbc's ouster. no comment from the network. >>> manning brings the broncos to the coliseum this week. we will carry the game live here, we will make it raiders day. [ unintelligible ]o q! >>> relief for muni riders that is our big story. >>> all night effort to fix a power problems seems to be paying off. what muni is saying now about the morning service. >>> big mess in marin. what is happening after a school shutdown after water >>> good tuesday morning. 5:29. thanks for starting your day , i'm kristen sze. >>> i'm eric thomas. muni riders getting from point a to b again this morning after power outage put the brakes on service last night. amy hollyfield has the good news live at church and dubose. >> reporter: i can show it to you, here comes an n judah now one of the lines that was only going to have partial service this morning but they were able to get it
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same thing with this murder suicide, jason belcher -- javon belcher. right, murder, suicide tragic case. but you can talk about again any aspect of it. were there head injuries involved you know, was she out partying, got home too late. did he crack? were there any signs? but you cannot mention the gun right? you cannot -- according to nra it is never never never never, never okay to mention. virginia tech, you can't mention there was a gun involved. it is ridiculous. the nra is so much powerful. clearly the most powerful lobbying. >> with the republican party. >> bill: they own the republican party. 1-866-55-press. covering the waterfront here with think progress and igor volsky here on the "full court press" this morning. join the conversation at -- commenting on anything we've been talking about at 1-866-55-press. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. come away armed with facts and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the d
same thing with this murder suicide, jason belcher -- javon belcher. right, murder, suicide tragic case. but you can talk about again any aspect of it. were there head injuries involved you know, was she out partying, got home too late. did he crack? were there any signs? but you cannot mention the gun right? you cannot -- according to nra it is never never never never, never okay to mention. virginia tech, you can't mention there was a gun involved. it is ridiculous. the nra is so much...
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belcher who lose control. and you cannot disarm the entire american population to combat madness. it would be madness to even try that the past 10 years increase in the number of handguns in america. there may be 100 million of them in circulation right now. but there has been a decrease in handgun crime. 10 years ago about 7,000 handgun murders. last year the number was 6,000 it is quite understandable that people are reacting emotionally to this terrible crime in kansas city. but the problem america has is not law abiding citizens possessing weapons. that's not damaging the nation. crimes committed with handguns and out-of-control people that's what's hurting the u.s.a. you will never stop crimes of madness, you are never going to stop them like the kansas city situation. you can put violent criminals away for a long time if they use a gun during the commission of a crime. and that should be done. that's the memo. now for the top story tonight reaction. joining us from washington mary catherine ham and juan williams from washington. where am i going wrong, juan. >> you said peop
belcher who lose control. and you cannot disarm the entire american population to combat madness. it would be madness to even try that the past 10 years increase in the number of handguns in america. there may be 100 million of them in circulation right now. but there has been a decrease in handgun crime. 10 years ago about 7,000 handgun murders. last year the number was 6,000 it is quite understandable that people are reacting emotionally to this terrible crime in kansas city. but the problem...
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there were knives and he got away with it. >> belcher was a rich football player. if you ban handguns with anybody, if he wants to kill somebody with a gun he will get one. >> that's a good point. bill, what is costas' solution for this? if this football player didn't have a gun they would be alive. what is he suggesting? what kind of ban would you do to prevent -- is it no wealthy aggressive football players can have guns? he is calling for a total gun ban. >> no aggressive football players. only the kickers. those are the only ones allowed to have them. >> that's true. they drink a lot i think. >> i like costas, but this was neither the time nor the place. they have to understand something, political statements are not for them. they are for the fans. the fans are the only ones eloquent enough to say stuff. the fan with the sign that says "kill all refs" and the fan with the cape and nothing but a cape holding up the" january 3:-- "john 3:16" and they can make comments because they paid a lot of money to be there. >> someone compared the nra to the kkk. >> come o
there were knives and he got away with it. >> belcher was a rich football player. if you ban handguns with anybody, if he wants to kill somebody with a gun he will get one. >> that's a good point. bill, what is costas' solution for this? if this football player didn't have a gun they would be alive. what is he suggesting? what kind of ban would you do to prevent -- is it no wealthy aggressive football players can have guns? he is calling for a total gun ban. >> no aggressive...
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if javon belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> poignant words. what should this country do in response? joining me to debate what is certainly a matter of life and death to so many people is david copel, research director at the independence institute. on the other side is josh horowitz, executive director of the coalition to stop gun violence. welcome to you both. david, let me ask you, i suppose an obvious question, why did jovan belcher need a high powered hand gun? >> well, he didn't need any hand gun to kill, to murder his wife and leave the poor baby as an orphan. o.j. simpson showed that football players like lots of other domestic abusers, can kill people with their bare hands. >> right, but why does anybody in america need either a hand gun or high powered assault weapon? i don't understand. explain to me. >> i don't think the police have released what kind of hand gun he owned. do you know what kind he owned? why are you calling it a high powered hand gun? >> wl, i'm assuming most hand guns are high powered, right? >> so you call
if javon belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> poignant words. what should this country do in response? joining me to debate what is certainly a matter of life and death to so many people is david copel, research director at the independence institute. on the other side is josh horowitz, executive director of the coalition to stop gun violence. welcome to you both. david, let me ask you, i suppose an obvious question, why did jovan belcher...
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we don't know much about belcher's mental statement or if there was brain injury involved. should the nfl discourage players from owning firearms? >> this is such a sad day and sad story. and i applaud costas. i don't think enough voices can be raised against this gun ownership. but the problem you have is number one, they shouldn't have played the game. that shows you that the priorities are off from day one. they should not have played that game. once again, the money wins out. obviously, i think you have to discourage people from carrying guns. and particularly in the national football league, with everything that's going on about the clear connection now between mental health and brain damage and erratic behavior exacerbated and probably one of the most violent games on earth, romeo crennel that belcher was a leader and one of the first guys in drills. we didn't see this coming. and that's the problem. number one, they are not trained to see it coming. the gun lobby is just so overwhelming. i think that if athletes, for example, who if they are looking for a civil right
we don't know much about belcher's mental statement or if there was brain injury involved. should the nfl discourage players from owning firearms? >> this is such a sad day and sad story. and i applaud costas. i don't think enough voices can be raised against this gun ownership. but the problem you have is number one, they shouldn't have played the game. that shows you that the priorities are off from day one. they should not have played that game. once again, the money wins out....
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jovan belcher killed her. >> bob: i see. right. >> kimberly: greg? >> greg: if it was a deadly flood it would be the same saying we need to been a water. he is a hypocritical buffoon. he spends his life wondering in and out of the new york buildings flanked by people who are armed. he doesn't have to have a gun because he is protected by people with guns. he is a sanctimonious ghoul. when something comes up, he has to come up. pay attention to me. this is about scoring points with other people in media. same with whitlock, who is a chucklehead. this guy in the knickss when he was talking about jeremy lin played off a stereotypical deficiency i'm not even going to get in to. who refers to the nra as kkk. he is a bigot. apologize for that. >> bob: what is a ghoul? >> greg: somebody uses tragedy to build himself up. he is a hypocrite. because he doesn't worry about being armed. people are armed for him. we live in a building right now, we work atuilding right now, where everybody has a gun outside. we're lucky. the rest of the public doesn't. >> bob: er
jovan belcher killed her. >> bob: i see. right. >> kimberly: greg? >> greg: if it was a deadly flood it would be the same saying we need to been a water. he is a hypocritical buffoon. he spends his life wondering in and out of the new york buildings flanked by people who are armed. he doesn't have to have a gun because he is protected by people with guns. he is a sanctimonious ghoul. when something comes up, he has to come up. pay attention to me. this is about scoring points...
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their 3-month-old daughter and belcher's own mother. he then drove to work where he met with his head coach and general manager and thanked them for all they had done for him, then he went out in their parking lot, saw police approaching, and shot himself in the head. football being football and by that, of course, i mean football being big business, the game, and by that i mean the big business must go on and so, of course, the kansas city chiefs played their money making game the next day. the football business was hoping that tv football commentators would ignore the biggest thing that happened in football this weekend. but bob costas could not. >> in the aftermath of the nearly unfathomable events in kansas city, the mindless sports cliches was heard yet again. something like this really puts it all in perspective. well, if so, that sort of perspective has a very short shelf life since we will inevitably hear about the perspective that we regained the next time ugly reality intrudes upon our games. please, those who need tragedies t
their 3-month-old daughter and belcher's own mother. he then drove to work where he met with his head coach and general manager and thanked them for all they had done for him, then he went out in their parking lot, saw police approaching, and shot himself in the head. football being football and by that, of course, i mean football being big business, the game, and by that i mean the big business must go on and so, of course, the kansas city chiefs played their money making game the next day....
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in the coming days, javaughn belcher's actions will be analyzed. who knows? but here is what i believe. if he doesn't possess a gun, he and cassandra perkins would both be alive today. >> costas was quoting jason whitlock and immediately after he spoke, twitter blowing up with reaction. herman cain tweeting, you tune in for a football game and end up listening to bob costas spewing sarchght moanuous drek. >> where are we headed here? >> bob costas, based on the standards of our society today and the standards of our industry deserves to be fired. >> he's allowed to have his opinion, just like we are all allowed to have our opinion on this show. so, yes, that's what he does at half-timey we want to ban guns because the gun kills the person. >> you want to get a political lecture, by the rantings on the left, i suggest bob costas go to work for ms-nbc. >> whitlock's right. if there is no gun here, nobody's dead. so i don't know what the issue is to take issue with. >> i don't get the sense that he was calling for specific legislation or saying, here's what he s
in the coming days, javaughn belcher's actions will be analyzed. who knows? but here is what i believe. if he doesn't possess a gun, he and cassandra perkins would both be alive today. >> costas was quoting jason whitlock and immediately after he spoke, twitter blowing up with reaction. herman cain tweeting, you tune in for a football game and end up listening to bob costas spewing sarchght moanuous drek. >> where are we headed here? >> bob costas, based on the standards of...
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if jo vai belcher did not possea hand gun, he and ca sa cassandrr perkins would both be alive today. >> sean: many reports are emerging that the nfl player was suffering from repeated head injuries as well as painkiller addiction all of which would make costas' comments sound more premature, absurd, and opportunistic. here with reaction is eric rush, leo terrell. leo. sosomebody is hell bent on killg season. you're friends with o.j. simpson. he was found liable in the civil case. there was no gun used. somebody's hell bent on killing somebody, leo, they don't need a gun to do it. they can figure out a whole host of ways to kill somebody. >> i anticipate you'll use the simpson case. shame on you. first of all, bob costas is an award winning journalism. he doesn't need any type of platform. he has credibility. he gave social commentary. >> you don't need a gun to kill somebody. >> you know what? gun control is an issue where guns are in the hands of people in the urban community and guns -- soi-- >> sean: was nicole brown simpson killed with a gun or a knife? >> this is a commentary of
if jo vai belcher did not possea hand gun, he and ca sa cassandrr perkins would both be alive today. >> sean: many reports are emerging that the nfl player was suffering from repeated head injuries as well as painkiller addiction all of which would make costas' comments sound more premature, absurd, and opportunistic. here with reaction is eric rush, leo terrell. leo. sosomebody is hell bent on killg season. you're friends with o.j. simpson. he was found liable in the civil case. there...
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the murder suicide of jovan belcher has started the fire storm. >> in the coming days, belcher's actions and their possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows? but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe. if belcher didn't possess a gun, he and perkins would both be alive today. > >> greta: costas was quoting jason whitlock. immediately after he spoke, twitter blowing up with reaction. herman cain tweeting you tune in to a football game and listen to bob costas spewing sang t sancts drek. >> where are we headed? bob costas deserves to be fired for these remarks. >> he's allowed to have his opinion. yes, he's allowed to go there. >> we want to ban guns because the gun kills the person, not the person pulling the trigger. >> you want to get a political lecture by the rantings on the left, i suggest that bob costas could have worked for msnbc. >> jason whitlock's right. if there's no gun here, nobody's dead. i don't know what the issue is to take issue with. >> i don't get the sense he was calling for specific legislation or saying here's what we should do. >> how come
the murder suicide of jovan belcher has started the fire storm. >> in the coming days, belcher's actions and their possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows? but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe. if belcher didn't possess a gun, he and perkins would both be alive today. > >> greta: costas was quoting jason whitlock. immediately after he spoke, twitter blowing up with reaction. herman cain tweeting you tune in to a football game and listen to bob...